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Author Topic: Refreshrates on Windows Seven require well-defined refreshrates-driver  (Read 26505 times)
huh-gamer

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« on: May 31, 2009, 03:18:00 PM »

Since i have installed windows 7 64 RC, I can't use high refreshrates.

nvidia 8800 GTS 512
Iiyama HM204DT
http://www.iiyama-bg.com/product.php?id=HM204DT&lang=eng
The monitor uses GTF-Timings as a standard


at win2k i used these settings:
640x480@250HZ
800x600@200HZ
1024x768@150HZ
1280x1024@100HZ
1600x1200@100HZ.

Windows Seven does not allow to use refreshrates over 85 Hz.

Windows Seven does not allow ANY refreshrate, which is not in the monitor driver. (Monitor EDID)
The maximum are The "optimum settings" determined by the monitor EDID info.

So what I need, is a driver, or something, that overrides the refreshrates with an inf file. (EDID-Override)

Then the custom-res-timings-nvidia-panel allows me to put in those refreshrates.

Thanks for any Help, which helps me to solve that problem.
(What files to use? What numbers to put in? how to override EDID? which settings? )

Here are the specs, that monitor-Info has read out of the current configuration.
There are two profiles.

The first profile: ( Real-time- 0x0021 )
Monitor
  Model name............... HM204D DT
  Manufacturer............. Iiyama
  Plug and Play ID......... IVM216A
  Serial number............ 10025878
  Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 31
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
  Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green (w. pulse)
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 450 x 330 mm (22,0 in)
  Power management......... Suspend, Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... None
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2,20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,627 - Ry 0,328
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,292 - Gy 0,604
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,148 - By 0,071
  White point (default).... Wx 0,305 - Wy 0,310
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 30-140kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 50-200Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 390MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1280x1024p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "1280x1024" 157,500 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 2048x1536p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "2048x1536" 388,000 2048 2216 2440 2832 1536 1537 1540 1612 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     720 x  400p at  70Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  67Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  72Hz - VESA
     640 x  480p at  75Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  56Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  72Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  75Hz - VESA
     832 x  624p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  70Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  75Hz - VESA
    1280 x 1024p at  75Hz - VESA
    1152 x  870p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  85Hz - VESA STD
     800 x  600p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1024 x  768p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1600 x 1200p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1920 x 1440p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    2048 x 1536p at  85Hz - VESA STD

Report information
  Date generated........... 31.05.2009
  Software revision........ 2.30.0.797
  Operating system......... 6.1.7100.2

Raw data
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The second profile: ( registry* )

Monitor
  Model name............... HM204D DT
  Windows description...... PnP-Monitor (Standard)
  Manufacturer............. Iiyama
  Plug and Play ID......... IVM216A
  Serial number............ 10025878
  Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 31
  Filter driver............ monitor
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
  Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green (w. pulse)
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 450 x 330 mm (22,0 in)
  Power management......... Suspend, Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... None
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2,20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,627 - Ry 0,328
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,292 - Gy 0,604
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,148 - By 0,071
  White point (default).... Wx 0,305 - Wy 0,310
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 30-140kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 50-200Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 390MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1280x1024p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "1280x1024" 157,500 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 2048x1536p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "2048x1536" 388,000 2048 2216 2440 2832 1536 1537 1540 1612 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     720 x  400p at  70Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  67Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  72Hz - VESA
     640 x  480p at  75Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  56Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  72Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  75Hz - VESA
     832 x  624p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  70Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  75Hz - VESA
    1280 x 1024p at  75Hz - VESA
    1152 x  870p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  85Hz - VESA STD
     800 x  600p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1024 x  768p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1600 x 1200p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1920 x 1440p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    2048 x 1536p at  85Hz - VESA STD

Report information
  Date generated........... 31.05.2009
  Software revision........ 2.30.0.797
  Operating system......... 6.1.7100.2

Raw data
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« Last Edit: June 02, 2009, 11:34:36 AM by huh-gamer » Logged
huh-gamer

Posts: 8


« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 07:49:21 AM »

After hours spent with tutorials, forums, monitorINFO, nvidia drivers, regedits

800x600@200HZ
1024x768@150HZ
1280x1024@100HZ

work now.
 
640x480@250HZ still doesnt work
1600x1200@100HZ neither.

Anybody got  Ideas, why ? how can i kill the 200HZ maximum for 480 vertical lines? (its the maximum determined by the monitor driver.)
How to override this?

when i make a clean reinstall of my system, i still dont know how to fix it again.
to many changes. dont know which one, or which ones interfering with each other made those 3resoulutions with timings possible now.

Monitor info now reads these infos:

Monitor
  Model name............... HM204D DT
  Windows description...... Iiyama HM204D DT (EDID Override)
  Manufacturer............. Iiyama
  Plug and Play ID......... IVM216A
  Serial number............ 10025878
  Manufacture date......... 2003, ISO week 31
  Filter driver............ monitor
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Analog 0.700,0.300 (1.0V p-p)
  Sync input support....... Separate, Composite, Sync-on-green (w. pulse)
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 450 x 330 mm (22,0 in)
  Power management......... Suspend, Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... None
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2,20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,627 - Ry 0,328
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,292 - Gy 0,604
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,148 - By 0,071
  White point (default).... Wx 0,305 - Wy 0,310
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 30-140kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 50-200Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 390MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1280x1024p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "1280x1024" 157,500 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 2048x1536p at 85Hz
    Modeline............... "2048x1536" 388,000 2048 2216 2440 2832 1536 1537 1540 1612 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     720 x  400p at  70Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     640 x  480p at  67Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  72Hz - VESA
     640 x  480p at  75Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  56Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  72Hz - VESA
     800 x  600p at  75Hz - VESA
     832 x  624p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  70Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  75Hz - VESA
    1280 x 1024p at  75Hz - VESA
    1152 x  870p at  75Hz - Apple Mac II
     640 x  480p at  85Hz - VESA STD
     800 x  600p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1024 x  768p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1600 x 1200p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    1920 x 1440p at  85Hz - VESA STD
    2048 x 1536p at  85Hz - VESA STD

Report information
  Date generated........... 02.06.2009
  Software revision........ 2.30.0.797
  Operating system......... 6.1.7100.2

Raw data
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« Last Edit: June 02, 2009, 11:37:41 AM by huh-gamer » Logged
huh-gamer

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 12:06:00 PM »

Okay, finally got 1600x1200@100HZ running now. works perfectly.

Last step is 640x480@240 or 250HZ.

could please anyone tell me, where moninfo reads out the maximum vertical scan range?

maybe in this case the nvidia driver is blocks.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2009, 12:24:09 PM by huh-gamer » Logged
huh-gamer

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 01:32:45 PM »

 Roll Eyes nice forum btw. helps to help urself.    Roll Eyes
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 01:45:50 PM »

Can't answer about Microsoft or NVidia software, but MonInfo reads the data it presents directly from the monitor if tagged as "Real-time", and from the registry if tagged as "Registry".
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huh-gamer

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2009, 12:38:01 AM »

Lo and behold! Shocked
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Ashley Saldanha
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2009, 02:22:48 AM »

Vista and more so Windows 7 are very strick about respecting the monitor limits. In your case, your Iiyama monitor says it supports an absolute maximum of 200Hz, that it prefers 85Hz, and that it works best at either 2048x1536x85Hz or 1280x1024x85Hz.

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huh-gamer

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 04:35:08 AM »

Well it also says that it has a Maximum of 142kHz,

which works best at:

640x480:  142kHz/480vertical Lines = 295,83 Hz

So tell me, why shouldnt I use (250HZ), when i've got the feeling, that its more "fluid" when i make a 2Pi turn in 0.3s ?

Because some ppl on the Internet who know how EDID works dont wanna help me? Although its "nothing" for them?

Because Iiyama thinks more than 200Hz are useless anyway, and simply write 50-200 into their driver?


I have found the maximum refreshrate Bits in the EDID, its at place 60.
But when i edit it, it complains about the checksum, of the EDID info.

can someone tell me how to get a good checksum?

« Last Edit: June 03, 2009, 05:25:46 AM by huh-gamer » Logged
huh-gamer

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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 07:09:41 AM »

Well, i got it working now.

Thanks for all your help.

I will make a format and reinstall now, and see if everything works, without all the non-required changes i did to my system.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2009, 12:13:16 PM by huh-gamer » Logged
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 07:23:05 AM »

Well it also says that it has a Maximum of 142kHz,

which works best at:

640x480:  142kHz/480vertical Lines = 295,83 Hz

So tell me, why shouldnt I use (250HZ), when i've got the feeling, that its more "fluid" when i make a 2Pi turn in 0.3s ?
You should use whatever you want, and can. I was just pointing out that Iiyama's firmware says the max is 200Hz. Its not open to debate.

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Because some ppl on the Internet who know how EDID works dont wanna help me? Although its "nothing" for them?
Well, I can't answer for "some ppl on the Internet". But really, if you don't know how to edit the EDID, you aren't likely to be able to update it either.

If you want to exceed Iiyama's recommednations, your best bet is to cause them to be ignored, by turning your Iiyama PnP monitor into a non-PnP monitor - clip pin 12 or 15 on your VGA cable.
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huh-gamer

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 08:16:51 AM »

Ok, i think that would have been the easiest way - however here are my steps.

1.) install monitor info.
2.) create monitor inf file.
3.) close monitor info.
4.) edit maximum  resolution here:

[MODE1]
HKR,,MaxResolution,,"2048,1536"

and here:

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID.AddReg]
HKR,"MODES\2048,1536",Mode1,,"30.0-142.0,50.0-255.0,+,+"

edit Byte number 60 (maximum vertical range) into 255 (FF)

[OVERRIDDEN-EDID_AddReg]
;Base EDID
HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"0",0x01,0x00,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0x00,0x26,0xCD,0x6A,0x21,0x96,0xFB,0x98,0x00,0x1F,0x0D,0x01,0x03,
0x0F,0x2D,0x21,0x78,0x6F,0x8F,0x11,0xA0,0x54,0x4A,0x9A,0x26,0x12,0x4E,0x4F,0xBF,0xEF,0x80,0x31,0x59,0x45,0x59,0x61,0x59,0x81,0x99,
0xA9,0x59,0xD1,0x59,0xE1,0x59,0x01,0x01,0x86,0x3D,0x00,0xC0,0x51,0x00,0x30,0x40,0x40,0xA0,0x13,0x00,0x8B,0x27,0x11,0x00,0x00,0x1E,
0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFC,0x00,0x48,0x4D,0x32,0x30,0x34,0x44,0x20,0x44,0x54,0x0A,0x20,0x20,0x20,0x00,0x00,0x00,0xFD,0x00,0x32,0xFF,0x1E,
0x8C,0x27,0x02,0x00,0x32,0x64,0xF0,0x0A,0x80,0x3C,0x90,0x97,0x00,0x10,0x83,0x00,0x4C,0x60,0xA8,0xE0,0x13,0x00,0x8B,0x27,0x11,0x00,
0x00,0x1E,0x00,0x38.

5.) Then over-install the inf-file over the pnp standard driver in the "hardware-manager".
6.) restart monitor-info  -> (complains about the wrong checksum of the EDID Info) and repairs it.
7.) create new inf (correct checksum).
8.) Edit resolution again in the inf file.
9.) overinstall monitor driver with the new inf file

TADA!

Go to nvidia custom resolution manager -> create new resolution, 250HZ, GTF Timing for my Monitor -> BLING !! 

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


« Last Edit: June 04, 2009, 02:47:27 AM by huh-gamer » Logged
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 09:01:21 AM »

It is good that NVidia respects the EDID override under Win7; apparently they don't under Vista.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 04:15:19 PM »

Deltacast.tv E-EDID Editor (Freeware). E-EDID Authoring Tool
http://www.deltacast.tv/Support/DownHDLevel0/EEDID_Editor_v1.6.zip


(found on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_display_identification_data )

This probably would have helped you a lot, unlike the pheonix one if you hit F11 you get a view of the original EDID hex data, and a view of your modified data with changes highlighted. I'm pretty sure the last used byte is the checksum (fairly standard place to put checksums when coding)and it works that out for you, as this was designed for editing edids to upload to hardware.

I'm trying to work out how to build a working driver for the Iiyama HM903DT (visionmaster pro 454) myself, any tips would be appreciated.

byte 60 already reads as C8 (200) in this edid but windows 7 is still stuck at 85hz unless I remove the EDID pin and use it as a non-pnp monitor :/
« Last Edit: April 07, 2010, 04:23:38 PM by Yakumo » Logged
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