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Author Topic: Resolution issue with Sony HDTV connected to win 7 HTPC  (Read 7351 times)
zank

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« on: January 05, 2011, 09:58:25 PM »

so i've got a very weird issue which will take a bit of explaining to do. i havent found anything on this after alot of looking.

So i have an intel atom based htpc with an ion 2 chip which i am connecting to my tv via HDMI. I also have a mac mini with nvidia 320m graphics connected that works flawlessly.

my TV is a sony 46w4100. I think where the issue starts is that TV's for some reason artifically support a lower resolution for their vga input than HDMI, and this trickles over to even when connected via hdmi. thus when windows reports to the tv that its a computer, the tv for some reason reports its 1600x1200 limit, and windows gets confused. atleast thats how i understand the conversation as ive been scratching my head for days now and can't figure it out.

basically what happens is that in windows, i CAN detect 1920x1080 mode, at 60 hz, and i can infact select it. whats odd about this mode though is that the sony tv artifically again limits what options it shows me, so the colours seem very very dull, and i cant adjust them too much. on the other hand 24p works fine colours are realistic, i get all the options i should, but the desktop is not smooth and picture still not sharp.

I installed powerstrip and went into the monitor section, i tried to create a custom monitor inf file (my tv is detected as a generic pnp monitor), and it seems all the info it read about my tv is correct (pitch, fork, etc, since i used switchresx on my mac mini to get the settings for my tv and compared). I did find in powerstrip in the advanced settings for monitor to create custom inf that my display size was 1600mm x 1200 mm (or 900mm i cant remember right now).

where it gets even wierder is when i try to play a HD video file, in windowed mode it plays smoothly, but when i maximize it, my monitor flickers, the settings change ( i am not able to select 1:1 mode whereas before i wasn't). when i exit out of full screen, it flickers again, and it returns back to normal.

i think my monitor reporting its max resolution as 1600x1200 to the computer is somehow messing with there where i'm not getting full 1080p mode i think. i have none of these problems on my mac mini on the same tv.

what i want to figure out is how i can use powerstrip to either create a custom inf file, or any other magic you can suggest to get this working. i had a similar issue or something somewhat similar to this with an older sharp aquos i had attached tothe odler mac mini with intel graphics. i've played around with power strip.

below is the output my from my switchresx in mac mini attached to same monitor. if a kind soul can help me out i would really appreciate it im going insane. i really need to figure this out as this htpc has to be transported to the other end of the world where there is no concept of returns, warranty, etc. please help.

switchresx output:


DDC block report generated by SwitchResX version 4.2 for display
SONY TV


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------------------- RAW DATA ------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------
      0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  A  B  C  D  E  F
-----------------------------------------------------
0  | 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4D D9 01 61 01 01 01 01
1  | 01 12 01 03 80 A0 5A 78 0A 0D C9 A0 57 47 98 27
2  | 12 48 4C 21 08 00 81 80 90 40 01 01 01 01 01 01
3  | 01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40 58 2C
4  | 45 00 40 84 63 00 00 1E 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20
5  | 6E 28 55 00 40 84 63 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FD 00 3A
6  | 3E 0F 46 0F 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
7  | 00 53 4F 4E 59 20 54 56 0A 20 20 20 20 20 01 74

-----------------------------------------------------
      0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  A  B  C  D  E  F
-----------------------------------------------------
0  | 02 03 20 70 49 10 04 05 03 02 07 06 20 01 26 09
1  | 07 07 15 07 50 83 01 00 00 66 03 0C 00 10 00 80
2  | 01 1D 80 18 71 1C 16 20 58 2C 25 00 40 84 63 00
3  | 00 9E 8C 0A D0 8A 20 E0 2D 10 10 3E 96 00 40 84
4  | 63 00 00 18 8C 0A D0 8A 20 E0 2D 10 10 3E 96 00
5  | B0 84 43 00 00 18 8C 0A A0 14 51 F0 16 00 26 7C
6  | 43 00 B0 84 43 00 00 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
7  | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 38

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 <  00FFFFFF FFFFFF00 4DD90161 01010101 01120103 80A05A78 0A0DC9A0 57479827 12484C21 08008180 90400101 01010101 01010101 0101023A 80187138 2D40582C 45004084 6300001E 011D0072 51D01E20 6E285500 40846300 001E0000 00FD003A 3E0F460F 000A2020 20202020 000000FC 00534F4E 59205456 0A202020 20200174    02032070 49100405 03020706 20012609 07071507 50830100 0066030C 00100080 011D8018 711C1620 582C2500 40846300 009E8C0A D08A20E0 2D10103E 96004084 63000018 8C0AD08A 20E02D10 103E9600 B0844300 00188C0A A01451F0 1600267C 4300B084 43000098 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000038   >

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 {  0x00, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF,  0xFF, 0xFF, 0xFF, 0x00,  0x4D, 0xD9, 0x01, 0x61,  0x01, 0x01, 0x01, 0x01,  0x01, 0x12, 0x01, 0x03,  0x80, 0xA0, 0x5A, 0x78,  0x0A, 0x0D, 0xC9, 0xA0,  0x57, 0x47, 0x98, 0x27,  0x12, 0x48, 0x4C, 0x21,  0x08, 0x00, 0x81, 0x80,  0x90, 0x40, 0x01, 0x01,  0x01, 0x01, 0x01, 0x01,  0x01, 0x01, 0x01, 0x01,  0x01, 0x01, 0x02, 0x3A,  0x80, 0x18, 0x71, 0x38,  0x2D, 0x40, 0x58, 0x2C,  0x45, 0x00, 0x40, 0x84,  0x63, 0x00, 0x00, 0x1E,  0x01, 0x1D, 0x00, 0x72,  0x51, 0xD0, 0x1E, 0x20,  0x6E, 0x28, 0x55, 0x00,  0x40, 0x84, 0x63, 0x00,  0x00, 0x1E, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0xFD, 0x00, 0x3A,  0x3E, 0x0F, 0x46, 0x0F,  0x00, 0x0A, 0x20, 0x20,  0x20, 0x20, 0x20, 0x20,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0xFC,  0x00, 0x53, 0x4F, 0x4E,  0x59, 0x20, 0x54, 0x56,  0x0A, 0x20, 0x20, 0x20,  0x20, 0x20, 0x01, 0x74,     0x02, 0x03, 0x20, 0x70,  0x49, 0x10, 0x04, 0x05,  0x03, 0x02, 0x07, 0x06,  0x20, 0x01, 0x26, 0x09,  0x07, 0x07, 0x15, 0x07,  0x50, 0x83, 0x01, 0x00,  0x00, 0x66, 0x03, 0x0C,  0x00, 0x10, 0x00, 0x80,  0x01, 0x1D, 0x80, 0x18,  0x71, 0x1C, 0x16, 0x20,  0x58, 0x2C, 0x25, 0x00,  0x40, 0x84, 0x63, 0x00,  0x00, 0x9E, 0x8C, 0x0A,  0xD0, 0x8A, 0x20, 0xE0,  0x2D, 0x10, 0x10, 0x3E,  0x96, 0x00, 0x40, 0x84,  0x63, 0x00, 0x00, 0x18,  0x8C, 0x0A, 0xD0, 0x8A,  0x20, 0xE0, 0x2D, 0x10,  0x10, 0x3E, 0x96, 0x00,  0xB0, 0x84, 0x43, 0x00,  0x00, 0x18, 0x8C, 0x0A,  0xA0, 0x14, 0x51, 0xF0,  0x16, 0x00, 0x26, 0x7C,  0x43, 0x00, 0xB0, 0x84,  0x43, 0x00, 0x00, 0x98,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x00,  0x00, 0x00, 0x00, 0x38,    }

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   Valid EDID block: checksum passed

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------------------- MAIN EDID BLOCK -----------------
-----------------------------------------------------

EDID Version........1.3
Manufacturer........SNY
Product Code........353 (0161) (6101)
Serial Number.......01010101

Manufactured........Week 1 of year 2008
Max H Size..........160 cm
Max V Size..........90 cm
Gamma...............2.20

Display Supported Features:
---------------------------


Display type:
-------------
   RGB 4:4:4 & YCrCb 4:4:4 Color Encoding Formats
   Display is non continuous frequency
   Default color space is not sRGB standard
   Preferred timing mode includes Native Pixel Format


Input signal & sync:
--------------------
Digital Input
   Color Bit Depth is undefined
   Digital Interface is not defined   


Color info:
-----------
Red x = 0.625  Green x = 0.280  Blue x = 0.155  White x = 0.283
Red y = 0.340  Green y = 0.595  Blue y = 0.070  White y = 0.298

Established Timings:
--------------------
      640 x 480 @ 60Hz
      800 x 600 @ 60Hz
      1024 x 768 @ 60Hz

Manufacturer Reserved Timings:
------------------------------

Standard Timing Identification:
-------------------------------
   #0:   1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz    (8180)
   #1:   1400 x 1050 @ 60Hz    (9040)

Monitor Description blocks:
---------------------------
   Descriptor #0 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 1920 x 1080 @ 60.000Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 148.50 MHz      Non-Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active.................. 1920 pixels      1080 lines
      Front Porch.............   88 pixels         4 lines
      Sync Width..............   44 pixels         5 lines
      Back Porch..............  148 pixels        36 lines
      Blanking................  280 pixels        45 lines
      Total................... 2200 pixels      1125 lines
      Scan Rate...............  67.500 kHz       60.000 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1600 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Positive vertical polarity
            * Positive horizontal polarity

   Descriptor #1 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 1280 x 720 @ 60.000Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 74.25 MHz      Non-Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active.................. 1280 pixels       720 lines
      Front Porch.............  110 pixels         5 lines
      Sync Width..............   40 pixels         5 lines
      Back Porch..............  220 pixels        20 lines
      Blanking................  370 pixels        30 lines
      Total................... 1650 pixels       750 lines
      Scan Rate...............  45.000 kHz       60.000 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1600 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Positive vertical polarity
            * Positive horizontal polarity

   Descriptor #2 - Monitor limits:
      Horizontal frequency range.......15-70 kHz
      Vertical frequency range.........58-62 Hz
      Maximum bandwidth unspecified

   Descriptor #3 - Monitor name:
         SONY TV


-----------------------------------------------------
------------ EXTENSION EDID BLOCK   1 ---------------
-----------------------------------------------------

CEA-EXT: CEA 861 Series Extension:
----------------------------------
   Revision:..............................3
   First DTD block at offset..............28
   Display Supports:
      basic audio
      YCbCr 4:4:4
      YCbCr 4:2:2

Data Block Collection:......1
   Video Type: standard CEA Timings
   #1: 1920 x 1080p @ 59.94/60Hz - 16:9 - '1080p' is not native (16)
   #2: 1280 x 720p @ 59.94/60Hz - 16:9 - '720p' is not native (4)
   #3: 1920 x 1080i @ 59.94/60Hz - 16:9 - '1080i' is not native (5)
   #4: 720 x 480p @ 59.94/60Hz - 16:9 - '480pH' is not native (3)
   #5: 720 x 480p @ 59.94/60Hz - 4:3 - '480p' is not native (2)
   #6: 720(1440) x 480i @ 59.94/60Hz - 16:9 - '480iH' is not native (7)
   #7: 720(1440) x 480i @ 59.94/60Hz - 4:3 - '480i' is not native (6)
   #8: 1920 x 1080p @ 23.98/24Hz - 16:9 - '1080p24' is not native (32)
   #9: 640 x 480p @ 59.94/60Hz - 4:3 - 'DMT0659' is not native (1)

Data Block Collection:......2
   Audio Type - not interpreted

Data Block Collection:......3
   Speaker allocation - not interpreted

Data Block Collection:......4
   Found HDMI 1.3a IEEE Registration Identifier

Detailed Timing Blocks - 0 is native

   Detailed Timing Block #1 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 1920 x 540 @ 60.053Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 74.25 MHz      Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active.................. 1920 pixels       540 lines
      Front Porch.............   88 pixels         2 lines
      Sync Width..............   44 pixels         5 lines
      Back Porch..............  148 pixels        15 lines
      Blanking................  280 pixels        22 lines
      Total................... 2200 pixels       562 lines
      Scan Rate...............  33.750 kHz       60.053 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1600 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Positive vertical polarity
            * Positive horizontal polarity

   Detailed Timing Block #2 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 720 x 480 @ 59.940Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 27.00 MHz      Non-Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active..................  720 pixels       480 lines
      Front Porch.............   16 pixels         9 lines
      Sync Width..............   62 pixels         6 lines
      Back Porch..............   60 pixels        30 lines
      Blanking................  138 pixels        45 lines
      Total...................  858 pixels       525 lines
      Scan Rate...............  31.469 kHz       59.940 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1600 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Negative vertical polarity
            * Negative horizontal polarity

   Detailed Timing Block #3 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 720 x 480 @ 59.940Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 27.00 MHz      Non-Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active..................  720 pixels       480 lines
      Front Porch.............   16 pixels         9 lines
      Sync Width..............   62 pixels         6 lines
      Back Porch..............   60 pixels        30 lines
      Blanking................  138 pixels        45 lines
      Total...................  858 pixels       525 lines
      Scan Rate...............  31.469 kHz       59.940 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1200 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Negative vertical polarity
            * Negative horizontal polarity

   Detailed Timing Block #4 - Timing definition:
   Mode = 1440 x 240 @ 60.054Hz
      Pixel Clock............. 27.00 MHz      Interlaced

                              Horizontal      Vertical
      Active.................. 1440 pixels       240 lines
      Front Porch.............   38 pixels         4 lines
      Sync Width..............  124 pixels         3 lines
      Back Porch..............  114 pixels        15 lines
      Blanking................  276 pixels        22 lines
      Total................... 1716 pixels       262 lines
      Scan Rate...............  15.734 kHz       60.054 Hz

      Image Size.............. 1200 mm       900 mm
      Border..................    0 pixels         0 lines

         Sync: Digital separate with
            * Negative vertical polarity
            * Negative horizontal polarity
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zank

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 10:10:18 PM »

what particularly bothers me is in CEA timing ( i have no idea what cea is, but this section seems important), all my resolutions, especially the 1080p resolution, is saying it is not native. again, this all works just fine with my new mac mini right out of the box.
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Ashley Saldanha
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 03:15:24 AM »

The OS (Apple/Microsoft) really have nothing to do with this. They get their data from the display driver, which in your case is written by NVidia regardless of OS. And NVidia gets the data about your display directly from the display - i.e., it is provided by Sony in the form of the EDID.

Assuming the decoded EDID data you provide is actually direct from the display - its not from an EnTech program, so its hard to say - that will the source of your problem. It, in other words, is a Sony issue: in PC mode, it want 1920x1080p and in CEA (that's Consumer Electronics association) it wants 1920x1080i. Pretty dumb on the part of Sony... if that is data is direct from the display.

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zank

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 08:42:20 AM »

yes that is data directly from the display. switchresx is a program for leopard i believe similar to powerstrip for windows. it read that EDID info directly. what you is definitely odd and a weird unnecessary limitation. but considering waht you said, if infact it wants 1920x1080p in PC mode, then shouldnt my PC be working properly, instead of the glitches its giving me. and in CEA mode, isnt that for blu-ray for example, wouldnt it infact want 1080p aswell ??
or did i understand that incorrectly.

however, how do i now use powerstrip to fix my problem. isn't that what powerstrip is for afterall, to fix these odd limitations and firmware issues.
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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 03:42:23 PM »

You don't use PowerStrip to fix this problem, and Switchresx does *not* read the hardware directly - that's doesn't mean the data is wrong, just that it is obtained indirectly (unlike EnTech programs).

But, unless I misunderstood, you are getting 1080p ok at the desktop (PC mode), but only 1080i or something less optimal when you switch to fullscreen video (CEA mode). The Sony firmware explains that.

You don't say whether with the Mac you ever use fullscreen video, or just the desktop.

In any case, this is a question best directed to Sony (as to the whys) and to NVidia (as to hows of fixing the Sony problem).
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